Showing posts with label Skippylongstocking. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Skippylongstocking. Show all posts

Friday, August 1, 2025

The Nomination Is In: The Whitney G1 at Saratoga

Fierceness opening in The Alysheba
                                                                                                                                         Welcome friends to The Turk Blog, where I generally handicap turf races and construct exacta bets.  While I do like Turf Racing, especially older horses over a route of grass, I don't ignore the dirt, especially this current crop of older dirt runners that is deep and very talented.  I still generally avoid 2-3 YOs on dirt because I just find I'm not that good at that, but a field like today's Whitney at Saratoga, who can't be excited?

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Let's just dive right in.  I'm only highlighting two videos today, Mindframe's Stephen Foster Handicap win and Fierceness at The Alysheba.  I could have kept going but something like the Met Mile, run in slop, just isn't that relevant.  


28 June 2025; Stephen Foster Handicap G1 at CD:  1 1/8 Miles on Fast Dirt


 


2 May 2025; The Alysheba Stakes G2 at CD: 1 1/16 Miles on Fast Dirt (Track Record for Fierceness)

 


I generally don't get that hung up on stats such as post time favorites who win, but as this shows below, two turn dirt races at Saratoga are kinder to chalk than the moniker of "graveyards of favorites" would have you believe.  There is also difficult odds with deep closers . 

I define deep closers as I'm handicapping by subtracting Timeform US Pace Late from Early.  Anything greater than 50 points and I consider that a deep closer.  For example today, Sierra Leone has Early of 62, a Late of 132, a +70 differential.  You can see it in the running lines.  Because of the placement of the gate right before the first turn, Sierra Leone will fall further back tactically and will need a pace collapse to rally against.  My identified deep closers also includes Disarm and Post Time.  

Outside posts, like most tracks, will have lower odds.  Quality horses defy those odds.  For no particular reason, I give you 2008's Kentucky Derby and Big Brown (rest in peace Eight Belles).  


Some facts to nibble on regarding Saratoga (with sources linked below):

  • Among all two‑turn dirt races at Saratoga, the completion‐of‐the‐distance (post time favorites) win rate is around 42.8%. (1)
  • In those races, the majority of winners tend to be either early speed horses (pacesetters) or trackers/stalkers, while true deep closers have notably less success, especially on the main track—closing types rarely prevail unless the pace collapses. (2) 
  • Wire‑to‑wire/front‑runner winners likely account for roughly 30–40% of wins at this distance, depending on pace.
  • Closers probably win in the low‑teens percentage, especially on main‑track routes.
  • Stalkers/pressers dominate many of the remaining races. (2) (3)
  • The starting gate for 9‑furlong dirt races at Saratoga is positioned just before the first turn, which gives inside posts (1–4) a meaningful advantage if the horse has early speed, as they can secure a favorable position before the turn. (4)
  • Historically, the inside four posts have shown a slight edge in win percentage in Saratoga two‑turn dirt races (i.e. at the 9 furlong distance). (5)
  • Races from posts 8 and wider have been statistically disadvantaged: in one analyzed sample, horses drawn from post positions 8 and outward combined to be 1‑for‑31 in victories, roughly ~3% win rate from those wide posts. (5)
  • That leaves middle posts (5–7) winning a substantial share of races, sometimes outperforming expectations or at least compensating for favoritism bias. (5)
  • If drawn post 1–3 in a 9‑furlong dirt route at Saratoga: your horse has historically enjoyed a ~50–55% chance of being the winner.
  • Drawing post 4–6 still offers a solid ~10–12% win rate, reflective of middle-post performance.
  • Posts 7 onward yield drastically lower success rates—typically <5% per post—mainly due to early turn dynamics and shorter run to the first bend. (6)

The weather should be dry.  You'll find Track Condition and Scratches and Changes here.

Fair Odds: The Whitney Grade 1 at Saratoga.  

 

A race like today's Whitney for me is about establishing who should win, how the public views them (via the flawed morning line, my fair odds chart and the tote board), and what sort of contrarian view I can take in my exacta bet construction.  I say in today's race, but this is a process I follow for every race, with the only difference on a big handle day like today will be, I may go a bit deeper as the reward will be greater with the bigger handle.  

While I want contrarian, and the odds still say somewhere between 60-67% of favorites lose, it's hard not to like either Fierceness of Mindframe here.  Early speed, Late speed, tactical speed, Pletcher brings two beasts into the gate.  

From a contrarian point of view, White Abarrio and Highland Falls are Grade 1 winners over this track and can easily be overlooked.

White Abarrio at 6 YO now won this race as a 4 YO.  He's been training at Saratoga steady since late June after running in the slop of the Met Mile.  A $1.7 MM 2025 winner  can't just be ignorned.  Highland Falls, true value at 8-1 or so, took the classic distance Gold Cup at Saratoga last September.  Prat jumped off, but Cox brings the lightly races 5 YO son of Curlin in off a heavy favorite 1 mile win.  

I'm going to take a $2 Flyer and put Highland Falls/White Abarrio OVER Sierra Leone, Fierceness and Mindframe, a $2 exacta for $12.  

As always, have fun with it and don't be afraid to lose.  As your handicapping improves, trust your own instincts over the bias of the media articles or track commentators, or bald, third person talking handicappers like The Turk.  Look for value over betting favorites.  

Turk Out!







Sources

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Thursday, June 26, 2025

The Nomination Is In: The Stephen Foster Handicap G1 at Churchill Downs

Sierra Leone: Photo Credit Mark Abraham
                                                              Welcome Friends to The Turk Blog, now in our 18th year.  I'd like to thank the good people of The Thorofan for allowing me to share my thoughts with you today. 

While only a seven horse field, with one horse, Ashcroft, being a cut well below, the other six, wow:  All six combine for $25.9 MM in career earnings, a Breeders' Cup Classic Winner, a Kentucky Derby Winner, a Blue Grass Winner and a Dubai World Cup.  That's a pretty impressive field.  


Let's take a deeper dive into the field and look at some video as well.  

Oaklawn Handicap G2;  1 1/8 Miles on Fast Dirt; 19 April 2025


The Churchill Downs G1; 7f on slop; 3 May 2025

 

The "Hollywood" Gold Cup G2; 1 1/4 Miles on Fast Dirt; 26 May 2025

 

New Orleans Classic G2; 1 1/8 Miles on Fast Dirt; 22 March 2025

 


Blame G3;  1 1/8 Miles on Fast Dirt; 31 May 2025

 


Clark Handicap G2; 1 1/8 on Fast Dirt; 29 November 2024 

 

Dubai World Cup G1; 1 1/4 Miles Fast Dirt (LH)

 








So what to do with this?  I'll be honest, I'm not sure without seeing the toteboard odds.  I'm leaning towards Sierra Leone OVER First Mission and Skippylongstocking.  4 OVER 1 and 3, a $2 Dollar bet for $4.  

Nothing exciting, just my thoughts of what might have value.  

Have fun friends, Turk Out.  



Friday, January 24, 2025

The Nomination Is In: The Pegasus World Cup G1 at Gulfstream Park

White Abarrio:  Ryan Thompson photo credit

Hello Friends and welcome to The Turk Blog, where I handicap and develop exacta bets, primarily over grass, but extensively over all surfaces.  Next year is my 40th year as a handicapper, which is mind boggling to me as I still see myself as that young kid trying to understand how the races worked at Saratoga in the summer of 1986.  As far as the blog goes, while I'm not an esteemed turf writer, I have been blogging continuously since 2008, so I am beginning my 18th year. Timing is everything in life, and when this blog started, Twitter was just a new thing, and long form blogs were very popular.  Within a few years, the best bloggers in this sport mostly stopped writing about individual races because they weren't being read anymore. All anyone wanted was the picks, tweeted out.  I never started this or any of my online endeavors to be the most popular, or the most monetized.  I'm not sure if that makes me noble, and my cause true, or if my ambition was just low.  No matter, I enjoy what I do and I appreciate the good people at The Thorofan, especially Laurie, who allow me the opportunity to submit late and ramble incessantly.  

If timing is everything, post position must not matter?  Oh but it does.  Analyzing post position statistics for 1 1/8-mile dirt races at Gulfstream Park reveals a significant advantage for horses starting from inside posts. According to data from US Racing, in a sample of 34 two-turn dirt routes, 32 winners broke from posts 1 through 7, accounting for approximately 94% of the victories. In contrast, horses starting from posts 8 and beyond secured only 2 wins from 38 starts, representing a win percentage of about 5%.  I looked at a larger sample size as well, 5 years, and the percentages were about the same: 94%-6%.  Part of that is field size, but the key takeaway is  that it's hard to win from the outside as the configuration of the track, with its relatively short run to the first turn, often places outside starters at a disadvantage, as they must expend additional effort to secure favorable positions early in the race.  The one that comes to mind is Forte winning the Florida Derby from Post 11.  Gun Runner in this race won from the 10 spot but the vast majority in this small sample size were from 6 in.  

The Pegasus World Cup Invitational Stakes, inaugurated in 2017, is a premier thoroughbred horse race  at Gulfstream Park. The gaudiness of the prize packages quickly made the Pegasus World Cup a marquee event, attracting top talent to compete for one of the largest purses in the sport, currently $3.0 MM.   With that type of money, drawing elite horses, jockeys, and trainers from around the globe is possible.

The inaugural running saw Arrogate, trained by Bob Baffert, deliver a commanding performance to claim victory. In subsequent years, the race featured iconic horses like Gun Runner, City of Light, and Knicks Go, whose wins showcased their exceptional abilities.  The race’s timing in late January strategically positions it early in the year's racing calendar, offering participants a chance to begin their campaigns on a grand stage in North America where previously Dubai was the best early season option.  

I generally start with current form, which I use video for, but this group comes in off of all sorts of races, with only 13 starts total by this group since 3 November, Breeders' Cup Weekend.  Watch how Gun Runner handled the outside post, note that very short run to the first turn.  

It is cool but the weather should be dry.  I'm handicapping like it will be fast dirt.  You can find scratches and changes here.


The Pegasus World Cup Invitational G1; 1 1/8 Miles on Dirt for 4 YO and Up

What has Locked or any of the horses beyond the 7 post done to make you think they can pull off the win against the statistical odds against that post at this distance?  

Inside of Locked with  early speed(as measured by Timeform US Pace:  Mixto, Saudi Crown, Newgrange, White Abarrio and Skippylongstocking.  That's a lot of horses for the son of Gun Runner to run past quickly and establish a rail position.  This is a six start horse that has never raced at Gulfstream, never raced at the distance, was a Show finish chalk at Breeders' Cup Juvenile.  I started this analysis working backwards, what you are hearing me say is I don't have alot of faith in Locked, and don't see a reason to stretch on an overbet lightly raced, outside post.  We are gamblers, the odds say move away.

So what and where should we look?  I think a better gamble is on White Abarrio running at a track he's won 6 of 8 starts on, bouncing back under Trainer Joseph. Training well, training sharp, the 6 YO is in a great spot to get on the rail and be fresh at the end.  The pick.  

Saudi Crown should be the first turn leader.  one win in three races at this distance, first time GP, 8 of 12 lifetime exacta finishes.  Covering win and Place with him.  

Crupi to me is in right spot and has one of the best stretch kicks. 7/14 Exactas on Fast Dirt, 5 of 11 exactas at the distance., the son of Curlin at 5 YO isn't jaw dropping, but 14 of 19 lieftime in the money and could add real value to the exacta.  

Skippylongstocking is a pretty good exotic candidate if you are going deeper in the bets.  Stronghhold ships in with Trainer D'Amato and the 4 YO is talented and could surprise.  Same with Mixto, Trainer O'Neill with Dettori up, is a talented 5 YO that is winless in 3 tries at the distance, no exactas at the distance, No GP, but capable of big wins like his 22-1 Pacific Classic in August 2024.  

Mystik Dan, 2024 Kentucky Derby winner, seems oddly placed in this race but I understand taking a swing at the prize.  Sprint to Route for McPeek only 14% on 64 tries. Training sharp at GP and hopefully he can build off of this but I'm skeptical.  The filly, Power Squeeze, also feels oddly placed and got a terrible post draw at 12. 

I'm keeping the bet pretty simple:

4-2 OVER 4-2-5-1-6-10, a $2 Bet for $20.  My aggressive bet is 4 OVER 2-5-1-6-10 for $10.

Have fun friends, Turk Out!  




Friday, June 28, 2024

The Nomination Is In: The Stephen Foster G1 at Churchill Downs

 

    Welcome Friends to The Turk blog, where The Turk has been writing and ruminating about horse racing since 2008.  I'd like to thank the good people at The Thorofan for allowing me to share my thoughts with you today.  

    The Turk isn't much of a Triple Crown handicapper.  Truth be told, I'm primarily an older horse, running over a route of grass, type of fella.  I like data.  I like the data that a large field of turf veterans provides me.  That said, I've really refined my dirt thinking to ignoring the early part of the year and concentrating on July-early November, the run up to the Breeders' Cup.  The Stephen Foster  is generally the first dirt race I handicap in a year and this year is no exception.  Before we go too far, who was Stephen Foster, what is his enduring impact on our culture, and what makes the Stephen Foster an important race prospectively? 

    Stephen Foster (1826-1864) was an American songwriter known as the "father of American music." He composed over 200 songs, many of which remain popular, including "Oh! Susanna," "Camptown Races," "My Old Kentucky Home," "Old Folks at Home" (also known as "Swanee River"), and "Beautiful Dreamer." Foster's music became deeply ingrained in American culture, often reflecting themes of the antebellum South.  

    It's highly doubtful from the Turk's perspective that anyone under 40, and few above 40, would still consider Foster the father of American music, but at 58 I can say his songs were some of the first I learned to play and sing along to in school.  

    Foster's work has had a lasting impact on American music and culture. His songs have been performed and recorded by countless artists over the years, keeping his melodies and lyrics alive. However, his legacy is complex and controversial. Many of his songs reflect the racial attitudes and stereotypes of his time, which are now considered offensive (feel free to read the original lyrics to "My old Kentucky Home and you'll understand").  His work is an important part of American musical heritage, but it also serves as a reminder of the nation's complicated history with race and representation. 

    Some, not The Turk,  have done a re-examination of his work and its place in contemporary culture. The Turk believes you should consider historical figures contextually, based on the norms of their era, not against our evolution as a culture, which has righteously moved forward in race relations and attitudes.   Anyways, it's OK to understand Stephen Foster's impact on music, it's also important to understand some of his lyrics were racist, it was a more racist society then, and thank God we don't have racist lyrics anymore, just now someone get rid of Coldplay.  I digress.

    The Stephen Foster is a prestigious Grade I thoroughbred horse race held annually at Churchill Downs in Louisville, Kentucky. Surprisingly, it was only inaugurated in 1982 and named in honor of the beforementioned Stephen Foster and his "My Old Kentucky Home"  which associated with the Kentucky Derby.  If you want to have a beef with Stephen Foster's song, ask why it took 4 years after the race was started before the original lyrics were changed.  

Here are some key points about the history of The Stephen Foster:

   - The race was first run on June 26, 1982, and quickly became a significant event in the American horse racing calendar.

   - Initially, the race was classified as a Grade III event but was upgraded to Grade II status in 1988 and eventually to Grade I status in 2002, reflecting its increasing prestige and the quality of the competing horses.

   - The Stephen Foster is run over a distance of 1 1/8 miles (9 furlongs) on the dirt track at Churchill Downs (except last year)

   - It is open to horses aged four years and older and typically attracts top older horses from across the United States (relatively speaking!) 

   - Over the years, the race has been won by several notable horses. Some of the most famous winners include Black Tie Affair (1991), Awesome Again (1998), Victory Gallop (1999), and Curlin (2008), who have also made their mark in other major races. 

OK, enough Turk ramblings, let's get it on!  Let's look at some key videos.

17 May 2024; The Pimlico Special G3; 1 3/16 miles on Fast Dirt at PIM. Pyrenees/1, Kingsbarn/7 went for the exacta.  


3 May 2024; The Alysheba Stakes G2; 1 1/16 miles over sloppy dirt; First Mission/2, Steal Sunshine/8, the Winner and an also ran.  



1 June 2024; The Blame Stakes G3; 1 1/8 miles over fast dirt at CD.  Dreamlike/5 for Show.  Blinkers on today.  



20 April 2024; The Ben Ali Stakes G3; 1 3/16 over fast dirt; Kingsbarn/7, Happy American/3.  beaten Place for heavy chalk and also ran.




20 April 2024; The Oaklawn Handicap G2; 1 1/8 over Fast Dirt; Skipylongstocking/9 dominant chalk performance.  



What a field!  Its so rare that I say that these days but it is a very impressive group collected together.  



I could make a case for any of First Mission, Skippylongstocking, Disarm or Kingsbarn to win.  In doing so, I just discounted 4 straight winner Pyrenees who I think is tactically too slow, and mildly Dreamlike, who goes with Blinkers on for Pletcher today (18% Blinkers winner 65 starts).  I only discount Dreamlike because of consistency but I think is very worth a look at fair odds north of 9-1. 

I've rambled so long I'm going to actually keep the handicap very brief.  Looking at the weather, expect a fast track.  You can find track conditions and scratches and changes here.  

First Mission should win this race.  7 of 8 lifetime exacta, 6 of 7 lifetime on fast dirt, 2 of 3 exacta at the distance, back to back dominant wins and on Cox home turf  where he's training very sharp.  I will put him no higher than Place because I want value.  I like Disarm or Dreamlike in a deep stretch run to take the wire with both Skippylongstocking and First Mission covered in Place

As you can see, this is more of a betting strategy than just going with my base handicap.  If you are new to reading me, my chart is what I call the Base Handicap.  It's what should happen.  "Should" is boring and doesn't cover your losses over time.  My fair odds chart identified Disarm as running past his morning line.  I like the late speed and my gamble is a return to form.  

Have fun friends!

Turk out